The Garmin Virb 360 is the first commercially available 360 camera for consumers with 5.7K resolution. In this post, we’ll compare the footage from the Virb 360 at 5.7K and at 4K to see the difference.
Recently, Virb Edit was updated to enable it to stitch videos from the Virb 360 at 5.7K. I took videos at 4K and 5.7K (stitched with Virb Edit), then uploaded them to YouTube. Here is a comparison of frame grabs from each. See which one you think is sharper – the top or bottom:
Have you determined which one looks better? Now here is the answer:
Yes, as surprising as it may seem — the 4K actually looks better than the 5.7K video. I know this sounds hard to believe, so here is a video playlist showing both:
I thought maybe YouTube compression was the issue, so I also compared the videos from my hard drive using Windows 10 Movies and TV player. The results were similar. I also tried sharpening the 5.7K — it still looked no better than the 4K version:
Based on these tests I would say the only benefit to using the Virb 360’s 5.7K mode is that it enables you to use a third party stitcher such as Mistika (see here). Otherwise, if you’re just going to stitch with Virb Edit, it seems to offer no noticeable benefit (as of Virb Edit v 5.20, firmware 3.30). Nonetheless, the Virb’s 4K video is still the best I’ve seen among consumer cameras, as of September 2017.
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I know the prices are vastly different, but how would you compare the Virb 360 to Insta360 One?
To me it seems the Virb is hands down better in video, but the opposite is true in photos?
I’m still waiting on my One, but I’m highly considering canceling it and getting the Virb.
I would probably use video and photo equally. I do love the One’s price and features, but wondering how it’s videos stack up.
Thanks for any help/opinions.
Hi Tye. Yes I will definitely compare them and a few other cameras. Pls. stand by…
To me comparing Virb 360 to Insta360 One (like to Insta360 Pro) make no much sense. They will never be used by the same people in the same situations.
One is the action camera (waterproof, replaceable batteries and SD cards) the other is more for amateurs live streaming events like your children birthday etc. Even the fact Insta360 One has in-camera stabilisation means it intended use will be sharing videos directly from the phone without any external software processing.
To me, Virb is in the same category like Nikon KeyMission, Kodak PixPro and coming GoPro Fusion.
With both Nikon and Kodak price about £400 and Garmin £600, it will be good to compare quality between them. Your 4K vs 5.7K test suggest that maybe the differences are not so big.
I own both. The ONE has great features, but mine is pretty noisy even in sunlight and has artifacts and comparatively low dynamic range. Too bad, because I like the concept and the stitching.
Very interesting. And surprising. Thanks for doing that.
You’re welcome Bill. Yes, quite unexpected!
+mic ty Very impressive video in 4K. The reason the 5.7K video looks not as good as the 4K video CAN be that it has to render the video in a lower bitrate…
I like the videos from the Garmin more and more.
Still more than pleased with the Xiaomi and I think I’ll stick with that as my final 2D 360 camera and buy the Vuze as my next 360 camera because of the 360 3D option.
I’ve tried several times to make descent 3D 360 videos with two 2 fish eye lens 360 cameras (LG360CAM) but the distortion from the two fish eye lenses makes it impossible to get the parallax right all around the 360 view. Right now I’m testing to depth mapping Xiaomi videos to 3D wich is fun but not good if it’s a lot of movements around the cam. Vey fun to play around with though. Also adding spatial audio to the Xiaomi (using the recorded 2 channels and adding another 4 silent channels) adds a lot to the 360 video.
Like Roger Maddy use to say: “are we having fun yet?” 🙂
Thanks Ulf. Yes Virb video is amazing. Yes Xiaomi is still great (in fact I use it more, because I like its nadir stitching much better).
Yes it’s fun to experiment with using two 2-lens cameras to make a 3D 360 photo or video, but at the end of the day, it’s not a substitute for using a true 3D 360 camera. Check out my Vuze impressions: https://360rumors.com/2017/03/vuze-3d-360-camera-unboxing-and-firs.html
I agree. I found the same to be true when I tested it.
Hi Mic, I record a few videos largely hobby with a gear 1 and 2 but still miss final quality. I want to offer more final quality to the customer, I am evaluating a lot of Virb and Insta 360 pro (well above the available) but among them has Kandão, what would you tell me about this investment?
The Garmin VIRB did not perform any better than most other of that 4K low priced comsumer VR cameras. I compared some of them using the footage of Facebooks Eric Chang. Even the older Gear 360 did perform at the same level. Have a look for yourself: https://ruhrnalist.de/2017/09/13/the-best-360-camera-for-vr/
The phenomen you discovered here is not only based on sharpening of the 4K material, but on further image processing, where you’d have your own latitudes with the flat 5,7K material playing around in an editing system.
To me, working with 360 cameras as a journalist, the Theta V might bring a new dimension to VR production: it is the microphone jack. Not only the dedicated 3D microphone, but the ability to plug-in an external microphone to record sound some meters way from the 360 camera. That will be new to that class. Because then you could publish from the field, without synchronising using a NLE.
If someone could test that further and report back…
I always wonder how you’d use external audio on a 360° cam. Even if you’d use wireless mics. How would you hide the receiver?
The receiver can be easily hidden underneath in the nadir. But it is not always necessary to hide microphones or cables. If you do interviews, there’s no problem with cables.
I built a bespoke monopod. The Senheiser radio mic receiver and Zoom H4n sit neatly out of shot directly below the camera.
Notice the same because encoding output are too low with virbedit.
One 4k nativ is at about 80Mb/s
One half sphere in 5k7 is a 60Mb/s (so we virtually have 120Mb/s for the full sphere)
And every output of virbedit are at about 35Mb/s so more input resolution you have more the compression is hard. Such speed are used for good HD encoding, not 4k or 5k7, we should be at least at 80/100 Mb/s
Such bad export for a such interesting tools (stab specially) is a shame.
I think the difference has mostly to do with processing. The 4K video looks to me over-sharpened while 5.7k looks soft/foggy but more natural. You can see it mostly if you look up at the telephone pole or the wires overhead. This makes the 5.7k closer to a true RAW, it gives you more control over the look but requires more work.
I wonder how would the comparison look in full sunlight.
Thanks, Mic for your great work on the site. You are a big resource and help!
I didn’t receive the same results you did when I tried 5.7k a few weeks back. I used autopano video for stitching and the detail was much better than the in-camera 4k stitch.
I will retry though.
Ok thanks photo1x1! I don’t have avp but that’s good to know!
I have the Garmin. I really find the virb edit software not as good to push out top quality renders in 5.7k(or what ever). I used mistika VR to stitch using your guide and I’m very happy with the results. I just wish there was a way to keep the spatial audio.
Thanks Gianne. Re spatial audio, you can combine the audio from the original and the stitched video from mistika
How? using what software?
For example, in Premiere, create a sequence with the original video with spatial audio first, delete the video, add the video from the stitched video.
Yes, I’ve done this but unfortunately, you lose the spatial metadata information. I have not found a way to re-inject the metadata. if you know of a tool please let me know.
I have been using a VIRB 360 for quite a while. The 4K auto-stitch quality is very very low, in fact producing utterly worthless and unusable video. The 5.7K quality is at least 10 times better than the 4K. I have been using Autopano to stitch in RAW mode and since I am a mac user, I am still looking forward to VIRB edit being able to stitch in 5.7K.
Thanks Noemon. Please post screenshots with the same field of view to illustrate how the Virb’s 5.7K quality is better than the 4K. In the Facebook Virb forum, no one could show any improvement of the 5.7K over the 4K.
hi, have you check VIRB Edit for Windows software version 5.3.1 as of November 28, 2017 ?
The bitrate on the RAW 5.7k before being processed is 60 mbps. The bitrate on the 4k footage is 80 mbps. This would explain the quality difference. Even though the resolution of the 5.7k video is higher, it has a lower bitrate than the 4k footage, thus causing the softer, less detailed look of the 5.7k video when compared to the 4k footage.
This would also mean there is nothing one can do minus a firware hack to improve the RAW footage in post production to make it look better.
I have a question here. I am not into 360 cameras and I need a 360 cameras that can take photos (not videos) in 360 in indoor environment and I can upload the photo without any editing online and on the spot. is this what Garmin VIRB can do? what other cameras do you recommend for normal or low quality (small file size) photos that can be uploaded as 360 photos on real time as the photos are taken.
Hi Farid. Yes Virb 360 can do that. For normal or low quality photos with realtime stitching, you can use Theta SC, Theta S or Theta V. If you want high quality with realtime stitching for photos, you can use Theta Z1.
Virb can do realtime stitching for photos (and even videos) but it is a bit pricey.
Thank you very much 🎩🎩🎩.
Can you tell me which camera of the ones you suggested is easy and fast to use and does not require photography skills and any one can just press the button and take photo?
Thanks in advance
Hi Farid. The best one for that is Theta Z1. If it costs too much, next best one is Theta V, then Theta S or SC. They can all do in-camera hdr fully stitched.
I bought Garmin Virb 360 about 2 month ago. I think the photo quality is not meeting my expectation. the photos quality is way too low. I started to re look into other cameras with higher photo quality that can be uploaded online as I take the photos and on the sport for real estate purposes. I think I need to get theta Z1 as you advised earlier. is there any development in cameras or any new recommendation.